Are there men who don't take accountability? Yup. Are there men who have character flaws traditionally associated with women? Yup

But I was taking about prevalence. The skewed numbers in the female camp. Women, generally, like to avoid accountability, it's not an attack, it's an uncomfortable truth.

If you say to me, men are inherently this and that, I'd say Yup, Yup, Yup, as long as it's something that's obviously true.

....point of being conscious about it, so you can deliberately, as you mature and learn life, be able to suppress it and not let it completely take over your character.

Again, so this is balanced. Certain things apply to all people, yes. But as uncomfortable as it might be to admit, some things, when you drill down, are more gender-specific than we'd like to think.

I get, it's easy to be all "kumbaya" and approach things from a general stand point.

But then, won't that be such a cop out?

...to be thar way.

It's as simple as saying "Oh yeah, well, it just comes with being female, it's something we've got to be intentional about not doing"

And, that's fine.

If someone were to say to me "Men are very controlling by nature". My response?

Yes we are, and it's in our nature to be that way and to be territorial, and what we need to do is be conscious of it and not let it get to toxic levels.

It's not a bad thing for a negative trait to be more gender-specific, it's the starting..

Also, you conveniently ignored the part where I said that a lot of studies have shown this, and there's a lot of content on this out there...so I wasn't projecting, I've seen it in cases where I wasn't even involved.

So, I have 3 data points...general studies and information on this, observations over the years that didn't evolve me, and some personal experiences.

The thing is, I think people need to embrace that some things are more gender-specific than general, and that it's okay for it ...

So let's go from first principles and build up.

Let's even forget taking accountability. Do you accept that certain things are gender-specific? Simply because men and women are inherently different?

Let's start there @ofonimekoko

So if it feels more common in women from your experience, that might say more about the kind of women you’ve encountered than it does about women in general.

Emotional immaturity isn't exclusive, it just wears different outfits depending on the gender.

So yeah, maybe some patterns show up more visibly in women but the root issue still isn't "women." It’s a lack of emotional accountability, period.

😂 Fair enough, I am naturally a “peaceful commenter,” but trust me, I wasn’t holding back. I just believe in making my point without swinging a hammer.

I get what you mean about prevalence, and I’m not denying that some women lean into this pattern. But I’ve seen plenty of men do the same thing, just differently. Some deflect, some shut down, some gaslight.

Why is it generally difficult for women to take accountability for mistakes, as opposed to men?

Like if you take a random sample of 100 men and women,you'd find that this is the case @ofonimekoko .

I'm really curious to know why, from a personal perspective,. I've watched a ton of material about this, read a ton of stuff, and still that curiosity abounds.

...and that's would be an accurate statement.

But, as inconvenient as it may be to admit this... some character flaws and negative actions, are gender-prevalent....

It may not be what we want to hear, but it's just how it is. Some of the most important conversations aren't going to be pleasant ones...

Yet we still need to have them.

Again, I said what I said because I've seen it all too many times, and observed it in situations that didn't involve me...

So again, Lol, I'm asking....

...significantly towards one gender. Females. I'm talking not just experientially, but a lot of the studies, and data out there say exactly that.

But really, I never really needed to look at data, stats, etc to know this, I've seen it all too many times!

It's like saying, "why are men....or why do men perpetrate most violent crimes world wide"? T

That's not saying women don't commit violent crimes, and we can say "well it's not a 'men' issue.., all people should be less violent"....

I feel like this was a very "peaceful", "let me maintain the peace" comment. Lol. A part of me wants to say "rip the band-aid off and say what you really want to say!".

But then, maybe this is really want you want to say and you're not pulling punches or holding anything back.

But you're right in that taking accountability should be gender-agnostic, I never said it shouldn't. We should all take accountability and be better humans overall

What I meant is that, the prevalence of it is skewed..